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December 21st, 2008

Don’t you annoy me

Repeatedly annoying or insulting someone in Brighton could get you fined.

The City Council Thursday passed ordinance amendments aimed at protecting individuals from harassment, intimidation or interference by others in their daily activities.

City Manager Dana Foster stressed that the amended ordinance wasn’t adopted to muzzle anyone or infringe on their rights.

The ordinance makes it a civil infraction for a person to “engage in a course of conduct or repeatedly commit acts that alarm or seriously annoy another person and that serve no legitimate purpose.” It further makes it illegal to “insult, accost, molest or otherwise annoy, either by word of mouth, sign or motion any person in any public place.”

Brighton Police Chief Tom Wightman said violating the ordinance is punishable by fines only. He also said it’s not about a single incident but involves repeated acts. (Source-Ann Arbor News)

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They seriously don’t see this as infringing on a person’s rights? What purpose does an ordinance like this serve except to provide an end-around the 1st Amendment? Does anyone think this will survive its first court challenge?

Who will be the arbiter of what is annoying? What exactly constitutes an interference? Will Jahovah’s Witnesses be fined under this ordinance? How about those who badger me to register to vote outside the grocery store? How will a person substantiate their perceptions in a court of law? Where’s the standard, since what annoys or offends you may have no impact on me?

Will poorly considered ordinances like this be enforced by the thought police?

November 4th, 2008

A reason to hope?

I’m usually critical, skeptical, not easily given to optimism. I know enough about humanity and its history to be fairly confident in my pessimism.

Tonight, however, I’m wondering if this next year might prove my worst expectations false. Perhaps Americans have noticed the damage that’s been done to our country by Bush/Cheney and decided to change direction. Maybe our descent into near-theocracy will reverse course. It’s possible that we will return to older American values; financial security, peace internationally, peace domestically, low unemployment, high productivity, innovation.

If it turns out that proposition 8 in California is passed, I’m saddened but not surprised. Disappointed but not defeated. What is been done can be undone.

The “Yes on 8″ crowd made it abundantly clear that their sole intent was to impose religious belief upon California state law. In the last three weeks their ads have constantly appealed to religious objections to homosexuality generally, but made no effort to provide any substantiation for their non-religious claims. Their only interest has been in spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. They provided no reason to justify the denial of rights to gays to marry and establish families. These great supporters of family values. They don’t support all family values.

Obama should remind us that progress is possible. It may take longer than we’d like. Progress may bring as much pain as pleasure. That’s life.

If there were enough people in America to elect Obama, there ought to be enough people in California to support gay marriage. I understand that accepting an Obama presidency doesn’t in itself violate Christian sensibilities the way gays do.

The issue’s been raised. This time was too soon, the idea received a knee-jerk reaction fueled by religious intolerance and bigotry. But now more people are going to think about this, and many of them will reconsider the lines they’ve been fed. They’ll start to question theological presumptions that in some mysterious way gay marriage will somehow impact on their lives. The longer they think about their support of 8, the more likely they’ll come to their senses. They’ll realize that to allow does not imply an endorsement.

At some point, I hope soon, Americans will follow Barak’s example on the state level and below.

We’ll see. The times, they are ‘a changin’. New possibilities have been exposed. Conditions exist to breed hope.

Then again, my pessimism may eventually be proven justified and I’ll be calling myself a fool for having any hope at all. Change isn’t always just for the good. Change-for-the-sake-of-change and change-for-the-worse are just as possible.

November 1st, 2008

Facts don’t get in the way of Web political rumors

With just days to go before the election, gossip, hearsay, innuendo and smears are flying through the Internet as gadflies and rumormongers hope to sway voters before they head to the polls.

“It’s a lot of mud being slung, it’s understandable, but I think it’s still kind of sad,” said Nick DiFonzo, a psychologist and rumor expert at Rochester Institute of Technology in upstate New York.

Candidates and their campaigns are circulating negative bits of information in mainstream venues, raising questions about their opponents in speeches and dropping sour hints in their advertisements. But only on the Internet can entirely false rumors persist, stories told without back up, persistently bouncing from one blog to another.

Some have been out there for years, despite repeated rebuttals from the campaigns. Others surfaced only this past week. And they range from the truly silly (Weekly World News Web site: “OCTOBER SURPRISE: ALIEN ENDORSES MCCAIN!”) to the multitude of bloggers who report results even though votes have yet to be counted: (”Has John McCain Won Florida?” asked the Red State Web site Thursday.)

Most voters say they have already made their decisions about who they want to have as their next president. So the Internet rumors are targeted at the shrinking pool of undecided voters who are still waiting, wondering and potentially still gathering information.

Some examples:

The Rumor: The Huffington Post Web site, among others, has reported that John McCain used an obscene word to describe his wife Cindy during his 1992 Senate campaign.

The Facts: This is unsubstantiated. Author and blogger Cliff Schecter initiated this rumor this spring online and then in a book called “The Real McCain.” He wrote that three reporters told him that in response to some teasing, McCain told his wife: “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop,” with an expletive. Schecter has not provided any evidence this happened, and he hasn’t identified the three reporters who he says spoke to him on condition of anonymity.

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The Rumor: Barack Obama isn’t a citizen, suggested bloggers at the Free Republic Web site. Or if he is, he’s hiding his birth certificate for some mysterious reason. Or if he’s shared his birth certificate, it’s a fake because he’s lying about who his real father is. New iterations on this theme pop up almost everyday at various Web sites.

The Facts: Obama plainly is a citizen because he was born in the U.S. In response to the allegations, Obama’s campaign in June posted the Illinois senator’s birth certificate on his campaign Web site, http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate. The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document. On Friday, officials in Hawaii said they had personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate. Judges in Washington state, Ohio and Pennsylvania have dismissed lawsuits challenging his citizenship.

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The Rumor: Daily Kos Web site, among others, has said Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s son Trig, born in April, was actually born to her 17-year-old daughter Bristol.

The Facts: Unsubstantiated. After McCain tapped Palin as his running mate, bloggers accused Palin of faking a pregnancy to cover up for her daughter’s accidental pregnancy. As proof, bloggers said Palin hadn’t appeared pregnant before Trig was born, and that she said she traveled from Texas to Alaska while she was in labor. In an effort to rebut the rumors, the campaign announced that Bristol was, in fact, pregnant. After all, how could Trig be Bristol’s baby if she was pregnant only months later? The announcement slowed the rumors, but didn’t stop the ongoing questions about Trig’s parentage. Even this past week, bloggers were demanding Sarah Palin’s medical records to prove she gave birth to Trig.

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The Rumor: 1960s radical William Ayers wrote Obama’s autobiography “Dreams From My Father.”

The Facts: Unsubstantiated. Obama says he didn’t meet Ayers until 1995. The book was published in 1995, which means most of it would have been written in 1994. Blogger Jack Cashill has been floating this rumor at the World Net Daily Web site — and it has moved on to many more — hinting that the book’s “fierce, succinct and tightly coiled social analysis” was closer to Ayers’ style than Obama’s. “Utter hogwash,” said Obama organizers. (Yahoo News)

I don’t think this is the ugliest campaign on record. But at this particular moment in this country, it’s unconscionable to attempt to distract us from the serious issues we face by making unsubstantiated claims, many of which have little to do with a candidate’s ability to perform the duties of office. I lose respect for any candidate who spends more time and money trying to demonize their opponent than they do telling us what they will do once elected.

August 31st, 2008

Gustav Emergency Response

I’m posting this from an email I received because it could be of value in the next day or two:

Hi Friends, Neighbors, and Colleagues.

There’s a movement to create a Gustav Emergency Response using Social Media.
@acarvin of NPR has started this on Ning: http://gustav08.ning.com
He has also started a wiki where all the information is aggregated: http://www.gustavwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
It would be great if you could lend your skills and time to this effort. Another way to help is to look at this from the big picture and see if there’s something missing that we can’t see from below. :)
For now I’m helping by monitoring incoming data to make sure those who need help get it. As data comes in there will be a need to organize it more efficiently at which point we’ll make the necessary changes.
Thanks so much for your help!

August 31st, 2008

Kremlin critic shot in Ingushetia

The owner of an internet site critical of the Russian authorities in the volatile region of Ingushetia has been shot dead in police custody.

Magomed Yevloyev, owner of the ingushetiya.ru site, was a vocal critic of the region’s administration.

The Russian prosecutor’s office said an investigation into the death had been launched, Russia media report.

A post on Yevloyev’s site says he was detained by police after landing at the airport of the main town, Nazran.

The website owner was taken to hospital but died from his injuries.

Reports quoting local police said Yevloyev had tried to seize a policeman’s gun when he was being led to a vehicle. A shot was fired and Yevloyev was injured in the head.

Yevloyev was a thorn in the side of Ingush President Murat Zyazikov, a former KGB general.

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His website reported on alleged Russian security force brutality in Ingushetia, an impoverished province of some half a million people, mostly Muslims, which is now more turbulent than neighbouring Chechnya.

President Zyazikov had been on the same flight as Yevloyev.

Ingushetia borders Chechnya and has suffered from overflowing unrest.

(Source-BBC News)

Reuters supplies additional information:

A lawyer for the website — which survived repeated official attempts to close it down — said police met Yevloyev at the steps of the aircraft after he flew in to Ingushetia’s airport, put him in a Volga saloon car and drove him away.

“As they drove he was shot in the temple… They threw him out of the car near the hospital,” lawyer Kaloi Akhilgov told Reuters by telephone.

“He was discovered there and they quickly put him on the operating table, which is where he died.”

Akhilgov said Yevloyev, who was in his thirties, flew from Moscow to Nazran on the same flight as the Kremlin-backed local leader Murat Zyazikov. A spokesman for Zyazikov could not be reached for comment.

A posting on Yevloyev’s website called on “all those who are not indifferent” to his killing to gather for a demonstration in Nazran, Ingushetia’s biggest town where Zyazikov’s opponents have clashed with riot police in recent years.

“A preliminary investigation is being carried out into the incident as a result of which M.Yevloyev was killed,” said Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the investigations unit of the Prosecutor General’s Office in Moscow.

Markin said police had tried to bring Yevloyev in for questioning but that an incident occurred in which he received a gunshot wound that led to his death.

Interfax news agency cited an unnamed law enforcement source as saying Yevloyev was shot by accident and said prosecutors had opened a criminal case for causing the death by carelessness.

Akhilgov said he doubted the shooting was an accident. “It was in no way a mistake,” he told Reuters.

Media freedom groups say Russia is one of the world’s most dangerous countries for journalists.

Magomed Yevloyev is one of the most high-profile journalists to be killed in Russia since investigative reporter Anna Politkovskaya was shot dead near her Moscow apartment in 2006, provoking condemnation of Russia’s record on media freedom.

August 21st, 2008

God damned orange eaters

Bigfoot Duo’s New Discovery: A Lawsuit Against Them

The two goons who wasted the world’s time by claiming they’d found Bigfoot are now finding themselves on the receiving end of a lawsuit.

Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer went the full nine yards with a news conference, DNA tests (that showed nothing), and all sorts of empty promises last week. Of course, it was all a hoax — and, as many had initially suspected, the creature was no more than a frozen Halloween costume filled with some random roadkill.

Now, the company that helped publicize the whole debacle is demanding cash from the country bumpkins. Searching for Bigfoot paid the doofuses $50,000 for the rights to their story, and it’s not happy the whole thing’s been exposed as fraud.

The good ol’ boys from Georgia, for their part, now claim it was all just a big joke and that Searching for Bigfoot is to blame for “blowing it out of proportion.” They say they never did it to make money — even though they’re still holding onto that $50K that somehow made it into their hands. Oh yeah, and they’re also selling Bigfoot stuff on their own web site.

That same man — who was a police officer in Clayton County, Georgia — has been fired from the force as a result of the scam.

Smart fellers, those Georgians.

I witnessed more media outlets going nuts over this story when it broke than I did individuals.  Anybody I spoke to about the news conference chuckled about it, expressed skepticism and anticipated a debunking by biologists.

It makes me think about Mulder’s poster, “I Want to Believe”.  A lot of people feel that way.  Whether it’s BigFoot, aliens, conspiracies, gods or ghosts, believers want to believe.  They don’t want to know.  They want to believe.  They prefer to believe.  To prefer to know requires the willingness to be wrong, to admit a misconception and correct it.  To prefer to know requires limiting or eliminating the concept of absolutes.  We have no reason to think that we know so much about anything that we’re in any position to suggest there are absolutes.  This reality is a relative reality.  We make best guesses based on our current knowledge.

My best guess is that the BigFoot, Nessy, ghost, gods, luck controversies won’t be resolved in my lifetime.  Superstitions die hard.  I don’t think you can kill them with silver bullets.  Knowledge and an inquisitive mind kills them quicker than anything.  Unfortunately we’re in the midst of another period of social religiosity.  Learnin is a sin these days.  Faith is all you need.  If eating oranges caused a person to quit believing in gods you know the religious would hear a command from their favorite god telling them that eating oranges is now a sin since orange doesn’t rhyme with anything in English, a sure sign of Satanic influence.  God damned orange eaters.  They’re all probably aliens.  Don’t be hanging around with them orange eaters.  They’ll try to probe you, then do things you won’t enjoy.

June 17th, 2008

Puppy Killer

<originally posted as a reply in this forum thread at Volconvo. com regarding a Marine accused of killing a puppy. I thought the preceding comment, which mentioned trained killers and innocent civilians, was inconsistent in my experience.>

In defense of those of us who have served in the military, I feel a need to object to this bit of hyperbole.

Yes, soldiers are trained to kill. They are also taught how to injure without killing and how to disengage from a situation without injury to anyone. They’re also taught first aid skills so they can tend to those who are injured, even if they’re the enemy.

Soldiers are taught how to recognize the enemy and to only direct fire at them, but when insurgents disguise themselves as citizens and use children and other innocent civilians as defensive shields, they increase the risk that our soldiers will kill innocents. Is that the soldiers fault or are the insurgents to blame? Soldiers in the field are never taught or lead to think that killing civilians is approved. It happens all too frequently in this current conflict, but in the vast majority of cases where it does I have no doubt that it was both accidental and deeply regretted by the soldiers responsible. Collateral damage is to be avoided whenever possible, and minimized when it isn’t. Anyone who enjoys killing others is an anomaly, whether civilian or military. They are malformed humans. They contribute nothing to the advancement of our species.

Now this guy sounds like one of those guys. And those guys are a threat to their own species. It’s not uncommon among animals for a small percentage to “loose it”, to turn on their pack mates without apparent regard. It’s perhaps the ultimate betrayal of trust in a group, the greatest threat another can face, the threat of death.

It’s the pleasure taken in the killing of anything that offends me. It also offends me that the military appears more upset over the publicity than the actual offense.

Perhaps if our perception of death were different our reaction to those who enjoy killing their own would also be other than it is. But that’s not the case. In general our species fears death; it’s the great unknown, the trip everyone makes and no one (we personally know in the flesh, which in the end is all that really counts) ever returns from, an absolute change from what we know and are comfortable with to another state, be it nothingness, judgment or virgins. At the very heart of the matter is that death means the end of this personality I’ve come to know so very well (if I’m delusional I still would think that I know myself well, though subjectively and oblivious to the persona I project to others). I know of no religion, new age group or stoned guru who suggests that after death life just picks right back up and we carry on as if nothing happened. Everyone agrees that the thing I’ve been calling [I]me [/I]for my whole life will in large part or its entirety cease to exist. I’ll either be something or someone else with no memory of this life, or I’ll be nothing. Either way, I won’t be the me I am at this moment.

And there’s no escaping it.

You can’t hide from it, you can’t elude it, you can’t buy it off, you can’t impress it with your talents and you can’t ignore it.

It’s slightly worse for non-believers. Death sucks. If what I strongly suspect happens after death is proven out, this ride will be over. I got my quarter’s worth. No second rides. Get off now, let the other kids have a chance. I happen to be a selfish little bastard. I think I deserve a few rides. Too bad. Wish all you want. Make up stories to make yourself feel better about it. None of it matters. You’re still going to die. Your cells will decide when and from what. Blindly, according to natural laws they aren’t even aware of. Your cells don’t care what happens to you or me. They’ll go on.

Anyway, people who glorify death, celebrate death, cause death with pleasure scare atheists. They threaten the only life I get.

Jack Carlson

April 5th, 2008

Science Sunday: Intelligent Design Goes to the Movies

Over at Colorado Confidential, Dan Whipple provides an enlightening review of Ben Stein’s Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.  The movie’s subtitle ought to be posted on the door of every theater showing this pseudo-documentary.

 …the film is so intellectually garbled it’s hard to summarize. “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” is Summa Theologica compared to “Expelled.”

“Expelled” trots out several martyrs to the Darwinist inquisition. The poster boy is Richard Sternberg, whom the movie says was ousted from his position at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, and from his editorship of the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington when he published in that publication a peer-reviewed article of scientific evidence that supports intelligent design. There is some dramatic if unfocused footage of Ben Stein being denied admission to the upper floors of the Smithsonian by a security guard when he tries to grill muckety-mucks at the museum about these injustices.

This repression of scientific thought, we can all agree, is horrible if true. But it isn’t true.

This is a dispute among academics. Faults on both sides, I’m sure. Perhaps because there is so little at stake in these fights, they are among the most vicious known to political man. A lot of cyber-ink was spilled over the Steinberg tussle long before Ben Stein got around to it. You can read Sternberg’s version of his persecution here and  a non-ID rebuttal here. It’s even made Wikipedia, which has got to be the high water mark for a bureaucratic pissing match.

The allegations made in “Expelled” are wrong. Sternberg never worked for the Smithsonian, so the Smithsonian couldn’t threaten his job there. He was a visiting scholar with research privileges, assigned an office. He still has both the office and the research privileges. He wasn’t deprived of his editorship. His term as editor had expired so he was stepping down anyway in favor of another editor when the controversial ID article was published.

In short, contrary to the assertions in “Expelled,” Sternberg suffered no harm whatever from the dustup. Which is not to say that he wasn’t criticized. He was. Harshly, rudely and sometimes childishly by fellow scientists. But rough and tumble argument is part of the world of science, whether you’re studying intelligent design, string theory or evolutionary biology.

There are three or four other cases explored in “Expelled,” all of which are presented in black-and-white terms as anti-ID intellectual repression by a Darwinist cabal. Closer examination of the specifics of each reveals pretty ordinary academic backbiting.

After a half hour or so, “Expelled” wanders off to blame the theory of evolution for Communism, the Berlin Wall, Fascism, the Holocaust, atheism and Planned Parenthood. One of the few funny parts of the film, though, is Stein’s interview with British philosopher of science Richard Dawkins. Dawkins’ best-selling book The God Delusion is a clarion call for atheism, making him a bete-noire of the religious right. Ben Stein, marshalling the intellectual resources of Ferris Bueller’s boring teacher, gets the better of him. Dawkins comes out of it looking pretty silly.

There are so many topics picked up, misrepresented and abandoned unresolved by “Expelled” that it is impossible to deal with them all. But they are typical of the intellectual dishonesty of the creationist-Intelligent Design cabal that wants to have this bankrupt hypothesis taught in the public schools.

For instance, the assumption by IDers is that if neo-Darwinian evolution can be shown to be largely incorrect, ID and creationism triumph. But this isn’t so. There are other hypotheses besides design or God or Darwin that could replace it, if they were supported by the evidence. The trouble is that only evolution is so supported. “Expelled” doesn’t try to build up a coherent alternative theory. It simply bashes evolution.

If you’ve had a chance to preview this movie, please leave a comment with your impressions of it.

March 17th, 2008

Further erosions of British liberty

Is the only way to effectively combat terrorism the creation of a police state?

MI5 seeks powers to trawl records in new terror hunt

Millions of commuters could have their private movements around cities secretly monitored under new counter-terrorism powers being sought by the security services.

Records of journeys made by people using smart cards that allow 17 million Britons to travel by underground, bus and train with a single swipe at the ticket barrier are among a welter of private information held by the state to which MI5 and police counter-terrorism officers want access in order to help identify patterns of suspicious behaviour.

The request by the security services, described by shadow Home Secretary David Davis last night as ‘extraordinary’, forms part of a fierce Whitehall debate over how much access the state should have to people’s private lives in its efforts to combat terrorism.

It comes as the Cabinet Office finalises Gordon Brown’s new national security strategy, expected to identify a string of new threats to Britain – ranging from future ‘water wars’ between countries left drought-ridden by climate change to cyber-attacks using computer hacking technology to disrupt vital elements of national infrastructure.

The fear of cyber-warfare has climbed Whitehall’s agenda since last year’s attack on the Baltic nation of Estonia, in which Russian hackers swamped state servers with millions of electronic messages until they collapsed. The Estonian defence and foreign ministries and major banks were paralysed, while even its emergency services call system was temporarily knocked out: the attack was seen as a warning that battles once fought by invading armies or aerial bombardment could soon be replaced by virtual, but equally deadly, wars in cyberspace.

While such new threats may grab headlines, the critical question for the new security agenda is how far Britain is prepared to go in tackling them. What are the limits of what we want our security services to know? And could they do more to identify suspects before they strike?

One solution being debated in Whitehall is an unprecedented unlocking of data held by public bodies, such as the Oyster card records maintained by Transport for London and smart cards soon to be introduced in other cities in the UK, for use in the war against terror. The Office of the Information Commissioner, the watchdog governing data privacy, confirmed last night that it had discussed the issue with government but declined to give details, citing issues of national security.

Currently the security services can demand the Oyster records of specific individuals under investigation to establish where they have been, but cannot trawl the whole database. But supporters of calls for more sharing of data argue that apparently trivial snippets – like the journeys an individual makes around the capital – could become important pieces of the jigsaw when fitted into a pattern of other publicly held information on an individual’s movements, habits, education and other personal details. That could lead, they argue, to the unmasking of otherwise undetected suspects.

Individuals wrongly identified as suspicious might lose high-security jobs, or have their immigration status brought into doubt, he said. Ministers are also understood to share concerns over civil liberties, following public opposition to ID cards, and the debate is so sensitive that it may not even form part of Brown’s published strategy.

But if there is no consensus yet on the defence, there is an emerging agreement on the mode of attack. The security strategy will argue that in the coming decades Britain faces threats of a new and different order. And its critics argue the government is far from ready.

(Source)

What they need are some technologically intelligent people who can conceive of ways to protect their citizens without violating all their liberties.

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March 17th, 2008

English police want a children’s DNA database

Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life, according to Britain’s most senior police forensics expert.Gary Pugh, director of forensic sciences at Scotland Yard and the new DNA spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said a debate was needed on how far Britain should go in identifying potential offenders, given that some experts believe it is possible to identify future offending traits in children as young as five.’If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large,’ said Pugh. ‘You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won’t. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society.’

Pugh admitted that the deeply controversial suggestion raised issues of parental consent, potential stigmatisation and the role of teachers in identifying future offenders, but said society needed an open, mature discussion on how best to tackle crime before it took place. There are currently 4.5 million genetic samples on the UK database – the largest in Europe – but police believe more are required to reduce crime further. ‘The number of unsolved crimes says we are not sampling enough of the right people,’ Pugh told The Observer. However, he said the notion of universal sampling – everyone being forced to give their genetic samples to the database – is currently prohibited by cost and logistics.

A recent report from the think-tank Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) called for children to be targeted between the ages of five and 12 with cognitive behavioural therapy, parenting programmes and intensive support. Prevention should start young, it said, because prolific offenders typically began offending between the ages of 10 and 13. Julia Margo, author of the report, entitled ‘Make me a Criminal’, said: ‘You can carry out a risk factor analysis where you look at the characteristics of an individual child aged five to seven and identify risk factors that make it more likely that they would become an offender.’ However, she said that placing young children on a database risked stigmatising them by identifying them in a ‘negative’ way.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of the civil rights group Liberty, denounced any plan to target youngsters. ‘Whichever bright spark at Acpo thought this one up should go back to the business of policing or the pastime of science fiction novels,’ she said. ‘The British public is highly respectful of the police and open even to eccentric debate, but playing politics with our innocent kids is a step too far.’

Last week it emerged that the number of 10 to 18-year-olds placed on the DNA database after being arrested will have reached around 1.5 million this time next year. Since 2004 police have had the power to take DNA samples from anyone over the age of 10 who is arrested, regardless of whether they are later charged, convicted, or found to be innocent. (Source)

One has to wonder if children who refuse to believe in gods or otherwise think for themselves will be suspect.

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